If I may start this topic out with a response to myusrnm's sig:
Yah, us Christians are so foolish, not knowing the exact value of π and all. I bet you Hindus are way smarter. Remind me, what is the exact integer value again?

He forgot Muslims too.

Oh dear Heavenly Father NO! Not again...

*Puts on flame retardant suit*

I am slightly changing this topic to make it seem a little more mature, otherwise someone would recommend that it be moved into the Fun Forums.



Go "dear heavenly father" yourself somewhere else. This is not a topic about evangelical rantings, its about the perceived mistakes in Christianity.

I think that I have a list somewhere of all of the uh-ohs in the Bible that just don't correspond to logic, morality, or common sense...I'll try to post it on this topic sometime.

http://www.learnthebible.org/molten_sea_value_of_pi.htm
I'd like to say that this goes beyond common sense. This, folks, is an example of overinterpretation, and forcing the evidence to fit the facts. Silly evangelists. Wouldn't it be enough just to say that it was an approximation? I mean, yes, the circle's diameter is going to be exactly 10 cubits in length. Exactly. Yeah, right.

Yay for new controversy!
So I was searching around and
on Christianity

Nobody is perfect,
Perfect is God only;
Therefore, God is Nobody.
Therefore, He does not exist.
or
God is love.
Love is blind.
Ray Charles is blind.
Therefore, Ray Charles is God.

or
I stink, therefore I am,
Thus the less you stink the less real you are.
Cleanliness is next to godliness;
The cleaner you are the less you stink,
Therefore God doesn't exist.

Please don't post if you have nothing to contribute, thank you.

Hmmm...
*Backs away from starting flames*

For god to have created the universe, he must have existed before the universe.
Before the timely universe, there was nothing
Therefore, god must have created time
So, god must exisit outside of time

No insults there, but it disproves people saying "god came to talk with..."

Your arguments lack sense.

The correct statement coming out of those two statements would be "nobody is God", not "God is nobody." Furthermore, God is nobody. He is not a body, but a supreme being. Different concept

QUOTE

God is love.
Love is blind.
Ray Charles is blind.
Therefore, Ray Charles is God.

Just because God is love, does not mean that all who are love (ie. blind) are God. Furthermore, blind is meant strictly in a metaphorical sense in the statement "love is blind."

That statement is so flawed, it could be used to disprove your existance, leading into a self-contradicting loop. I'm not going to even bother pointing out the logical fallacies.


Quite true.

Just because He exists outside of time does not mean that He cannot enter time. It's like the circle in the book Flatland... it can enter the plane of the second dimensional world of Flatland at will, yet it exists outside of that dimension. You should read that book for a better understanding of the concept of dimensions

So God exists in another dimension? I think it could be possible. I mean, do we really know how many dimensions there are? Maybe we only live in one dimension and all the dimensions we think are dimensions are only sub-dimensions of that dimension. Maybe Heaven is a dimension and Hell the other dimension. Then we have the dimension that we live in. So perhaps if there are sub-dimensions inside our own, then there are subs in Heaven and Hell? What could those be?

Actually, I was referring to the dimension of time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension
"Dimension" is one of the most commonly misunderstood words. It's even more misunderstood than "entropy." I mean, the common understanding of the word "dimension" is actually nothing like what it actually means. A better word for what you mean would be "universe."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28science%29

in a separate reality...
thanks to djbob for disproving that whole thing, it was good
as far as the original topic, its a description. Do you ever write that the room was 6 feet 11 inches by 7 feet 2 inches? no. You say its about 7x7. It isn't a mistake, its an inspecificity. Most of the bible was written long after the fact, passed down generations. Oral histories are never that specific. Deal with it. (that goes to a good many people, the fundamentalist christians for example)

It took me a minute or so before I realised that Π was "pi".

Anyways, why isn't this in Science and Philosophy?

Because religion is neither science nor philosophy, and does not involve "showing off your knowledge."

Well one can KINDA see that it was written for humorous effect but this is so incredibly stupid it's not even funny... it supposes the only valid attribute is stinkiness and equates stinky to real. And the simple fact that cleanliness is NEXT TO godliness doesn't equate the two.
At any rate, this reminds me of...
Yeaaahhh... well... so you see that Bible shouldn't be taken literally, only as a guide.



To think of it in another way, suppose humans created an autonomous sentient two-dimensional world on, say, a piece of paper. So I hang it on my refrigerator and look at it from a distance. Can the sentient beings existing in the 2D world see me? Nope. I put my finger on the piece of paper. Can they see me? Still no, but they can see the two-dimensional plane slice of my finger that is touching the paper.

BTW, I haven't read flatland, but do you mean... a Sphere? Because a circle is two dimensional...

Searching for god proofs, so here's another link
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

Actually, they can in effect see you, just a slice though. You can project any facet of yourself onto their world at will.

Right, a sphere. He's a radius-shifting circle to the Flatlanders

I won't go exact, but

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hehe. This will take up some space...
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At least that's more exact than Pi=3.

You know what? The Bible is not a math book. Do you really think it needs to have decimals in it? Rounding to the nearest integer is good enough.

Well, you see, when you want to gain credibility as a prophetic guide to the future and supernatural events, you should probably exhibit some skills in basic subjects such as math as well. At least, be a little more specific than "3".

Guys, this has got to be one of the stupidest things to criticize the Bible on. First off, does it say that the molten sea is in the shape of an exact circle? And who's going to be able to tell how how many inches the circumference of a clock is just by looking at it? If this came from a prophetic vision, the vision's probably going to be in the form of the worldly senses instead of an abstract mathematical representation where all the exact measurements of things are perfectly known.

Thank you, myncknm.

Are you editing my posts?

Uhm, no...
PS: You do know you can figure that out by checking the logs, right?

But, considering how people belive every little word the bible says, that means that it is thought to be correct. It is not correct. It should say at least 3.14, which is the standard usage.




Well, the was the bible uses math, it is inplying that it is a perfect circle.

Well yes. They probably shouldn't take every single word on a literal level.

But they do. You can't argure against that.

I concur.

Btw. what I've posted here so far (including the sig) was not attempted flaimbait...

Depends on what kind of Christian you are. I don't see any liberal Christians running around proclaiming that Pi is three and that the molten sea is an exact circle.

I've seen plenty, knocking on my door, handing out stupid little booklets...

I would like to bring up this topic again. I've been reading up on Christianity occasionally and recently, and I've found many controversial ideas about it. I'd like to present you with two internet articles; one that criticizes Christianity and one that defends Christianity. I chose these two because they cut straight to the point and don't bother with semantics, political correctness, etc and preach their views.

#1

So far, everything in the above article has been backed up by facts supported from Christianity's own history.

Now, let's take a look at #2.



This is backed up with no facts whatsoever and does not give any reason whatsoever, and does not give non-believers any base to stand on if they want to join the religion. Pretty poor marketing skills, if you ask me. (Disclaimer: I'm mainly criticizing Protestants, and to a certain degree, Catholics, here, so don't bash me for this if you're Orthodox).

Now tell me, which viewpoint seems to make more sense; one that argues with points made from history and plain fact, or one that tells you to clap your hands, look up into the sky, and sing the praise o' the Lord to gain access to a heaven which no-one has proof of?

Pretty ironic statement right there.... What are these sources, anyways?

Eternal pain in Hell would only be painful for the first while. Then your pain cells would break, you would experience immense pain, then feel no pain, ever.

Lol, "pain cells." By this you must nerves.

There are a kind of pain receptors deep under your skin. After continuous amounts of stimulation, those cell "break" or die.

I think that God/Satan/whoever/whatever created the underworld would've planned ahead for that though. Who needs sensory cells when you can directly stimulate the brain?

Right, because 3.14 is totally the correct value of pi Since you Hindus are so great, maybe you can write out the value of pi for us? Just to steer us ignorant Christians the right way.

The Bible was written when? The first century. How can you actually expect the Bible to conform to current western standards? And don't give me something like "God can see into the future!" because that still doesn't explain why he would choose this time period.

The only person who is taking the Bible literally here is you. Stop pretending you have an argument and drop it. You are wrong. Deal with it.

You'd can't argue AGAINST that? I challenge you to a find a single Christian in the whole world that believes that pi = 3. Then maybe I'll consider your argument.

Ooh ooh KC, let me present you with two internet articles too!

As you can clearly see from these articles, all Hindus are retards
There are non-retarded Protestants as well as Catholics. Stop generalizing and pretending you are basing your opinions on something other than your faith and emotions.

Stop talking! Seriously, you are giving your whole religion a bad name. You are talking about something you have no clue about. According to Christianity, the human body is ditched after death, along with its "pain cells" or whatever you want to call them. If you want to criticize a religion, at least make a miniscule effort to understand it.

What is the point of this statement anyway? You're dragging others down with you, but not doing anything to bring your religion up.

Why would a God choose to conform the Bible to only one time period and stop there, instead of reforming it over the ages so that others can relate to it no matter which century/millenium they are in?



Great debating skills.

So, your argument is that no Christian in the world follows every belief of the Bible (which should be a crime, right? Because apparently the Bible is the divine source of truth and wisdom...) and knowingly follows the Satanically-inspired lies of mathematics.



If these articles existed and an overwhelming number of Hindus felt the same way as the first guy, and the second guy went into some reasons why Hinduism is obsolete, then I might agree with you. However, you pulled these "articles" out of the air, and so its discredited. Sorry.



The core view of these people is "you just gotta belieeeeeeeve!". How do you expect non-believers to take that kind of logic seriously?

That's because I'm not trying to. Christianity is just as "low" in knowing pi as Hinduism is. Your (or whoever actually cares) problem is that you think Christianity is somehow inferior because it doesn't state an accurate enough value of pi for you.

Hmmm, maybe because NOBODY CARES. Why the eff does the value of pi matter in a spiritual context? Honestly, only an idiot would actually use that as an argument. You're embarassing yourself.

Hey, if somebody sucks at debating, I'm not being "nice" and ignoring it. If you suck at debates, then stay out of them. Otherwise, make a better argument or deal with people telling you that you suck.

KC, I don't know if you could make a worse argument. That statement is not just uninformed, but utterly retarded.
1) The value of pi is not a belief of the Bible.
2) The Bible is not the divine source of truth and wisdom, but rather a guide.
3) Mathematics doesn't have anything to do with Satan.
4) You're not being funny by saying it is.
Stop posting.

Uhm, no you wouldn't. Stop pretending you're unbiased.

Ever heard of a parody?

Right, 'cuz Christianity (like Hinduism) is so very logical!

Ok, first off, keep insults out of this. Statements like "lol ur so retarded" are not productive.



That was an example.

Maybe you need better comprehension skills. I said nothing of pi in that statement, I was speaking generally. Why are such obsolete terms used in the Bible, and why has God not "inspired" anybody to modernize it to appeal to the masses and actually relate to the common people?



You do know that you don't solve anything that way, rather you only inflame with anger the person who you accuse of being stupid?

Enough with the insults.



The Bible states that pi is 3. Therefore, the Bible believes that pi is 3. How is that conclusion "retarded"?

Again, reading comprehension skills. I already stated that I was mostly speaking to some other Christian sects, who do believe that the Bible is the divine source of truth and wisdom.



Well, the conclusion that pi is actually not 3 is going against the Bible, and therefore it must be inspired by something else, right? And the only other force out there besides God is Satan, right?

No, I think I'll keep on posting. Thanks for the suggestion, though.



So now you can read minds?

That was the most terrible parody used in debates that I've ever heard of. It was completely devoid of any content opposite to my quotes.



That's another thing I don't get. Why doesn't God put these things in a logical sense, so that the common man can understand it rather than get confused (and therefore, start thinking negatively about the respective religion that he has joined)?

KC is strong in pathos and ethos right now, but lacking in logos.
djbob is weak in ethos.

(btw, I'm going by Aristotle's definition of ethos, where the previous reputation of the speaker is not taken into account)

I'm not going for "productivity" here.

Well then maybe you need to use better examples, huh?

If you want to speak generally, maybe you shouldn't respond to quotes speaking specifically.

Because God isn't supposed to "appeal" to the masses. He isn't some sort of product. The Bible is not supposed to be "appealing" or whatever you want it to be.

Yup.

I'll stop insulting you as soon as you stop being stupid.

First of all, no it doesn't. You are assuming a few things to reach that conclusion... namely, that the Bible didn't approximate anywhere.

Duuuuuh, I donno KC! Maybe because only a retard math nerd would actually care about the circumference of the "circle" (that wasn't even a circle) being exact to the decimals place.

KC, if you want to criticize me, maybe you can make up your own critique, instead of stealing one that I use?

Hmmm, then how about you go find a forum with somebody from that Christian sect and post there.

No it's not.

Wrong.

No.

Well, I didn't think you could make yourself seem any dumber than you did in your last post, but this one's a record! Looking forward to your next
Your mind is quite simple to understand, trust me.

Content opposite to your quotes? You mean it didn't relate to your thing? Mayhaps you're skipping the similarities, such as both being about a religion, with two quotes, one supporting and one not supporting, with the supportive person sounding retarded, and then using that as a generalization for all adherents to that religion?

You can't understand any of the this if you keep thinking like an intellectual. Stop trying to use logic to explain spirituality. You'd think that someone like you would know not apply logic to religion, being a Hindu and all.

After seeing Pi=3, and putting down all correct science, I seriously doubt that.

Hmmm, you might wanna get your eyes checked.

Mayhaps your brain too.

Talk about hypocritical. Better start eating your brains.

...interesting to see what djbob will do now.

Hey, I'm just trying to help people with their problems
You know these mental diseases get worse with time, you should hurry up with that CAT scan