http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfgBf_SExmU&eurl=

lol, feels very random at first, then you realize it's about the wireless sharing stuff, and it feels very clever.

pfft... makes me more glad I chose an ebay mp3 player and not pay ten times more at least for some overrated thing like the iPod. At least zune has radio.

The iPod is hella overrated, but they're not bad. I only trust established brands, like Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Toshiba, et cetera.

What better way to mimic Cartman than to use "hella"

And even if the iPod is not bad, it is bad value for money, just like the Zune.

Cartman is not the only person to use the word "hella", nor did he make it famous, further more, he is not famous for saying it. Fuck you.

The iPod isn't particularly a bad value, and neither is the Zune. In fact, both come with an extensive array of features given their respective prices.

I am referring to the numerous ways in which you are so like Cartman, using "hella" just contributes...

And the iPod/Zune are very bad for value in my opinion... I would go for my cheap but feature packed mp3 player even if the ipod were half its price. What do you get besides the name? Not forgetting the numerous complaints about dysfunction and not being able to get a refund and so on

I am not morbidly obese. You can ask anyone who knows me.

No, the iPod and the Zune are excellent values. You're just saying they are bery bad to spite me. The name is everything. It's about the value of the brand. Apple and Microsoft have spent decades building up a reputation of high-quality and innovation, and this can't have been for nothing. Also, I have never had problems with the functioning of these devices.

I am not saying anything to spite you. Please don't ever think that. Would you like a pic of my mp3 player? If the Zune/iPod were good value, I'd buy one of them instead of getting one of ebay (something that I cannot be sure of its reliability and does not have a warranty).

And I don't care how fat you are, I was referring to personality, not appearance [of Cartman].

Sure, I'd like to see a picture of it.

Also, Wikipedia describes Cartman as being manipulative, sadistic, and greedy. I am none of those.

You are present ridiculous views that would fail in reality and sardonic at least, and that is only from what I see here, I'm sure the people you know can think of many better-fitting adjectives

And I still can't get some batteries for the camera so it will take awhile to get a pic.

Wow, great grammar. </sardonicism>

Anyways, from what I can surmise from your atrocious grammar, my views are not ridiculous, they are just right.

You never reply to my arguments but just nitpick on irrelevant things, all I did was forget to omit "are" after thinking of a different wording. Glad you admit that I'm right though, showing yourself being sardonic the very next post!

And 1 minute after posting, look what I find:Missing a "who"?

The point still stands but you can't see that far. Pity.

The Mp3 player that doesn't need a brand name to be what I believe to be the #1 MP3 player when it comes to value for money, if not quality alone with radio, music/video, photos, voice recorder and more!

Blame my brother for the hidden message in there

Wow, leave it to the ebayers to make a product that looks very similar to the iPod Nano. I'm surprised Apple didn't sue them for copying the style. Is this mass-marketed in other outlets, or only on eBay? If it's mass marketed, where at/under what brand or product name?

Ah yes, one of the cheap knockoffs, most likely from China. This is where the stuff lies. All the good electronics in the world are designed by American and Japanese companies (with a few exceptions like Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Taiwan, and Denmark). This device is bad, not because it is a bad value for the features, but because it lacks the innovation of the actual product it is based on. Apple has been successful with the iPod brand due to the subtle innovations they have brought to DAPs. But this company, it is just capitolizing on Apple's franchise by stealing their idea and slapping on features.

Does it matter? Facts are:
- It costs many times less
- Has more features than the iPod
- Has great audio/video quality
- Is easy to use
- No problems so far

And lappy512, it doesn't have a brand name though I hunted down "Wilson Co. Ltd." and "S1MP3", but those two names are used for the countless MP3 players mainly from Chine or Hong Kong.
www.google.com/search?q=s1mp3

You conveniently "forgot" to mention that this is just a knockoff. I just explained to you that the iPod is good not because of its bevy of features, but because Apple was the one who was clever enough to come up with the original idea. These people are just trying to make a quick buck by copying Apple's idea and slapping on features, something that ANYONE could do. But why doesn't everybody just do that you ask? Because it's despicable and dishonourable. You're no better than the people buying conflict diamonds. You're just doing it for your own gain, not thinking of the repercussions of your actions.

Aww... I'm sorry, did I help crush the economy

Yes, actually, you are. By buying stuff from these knockoff makers, true innovators like Apple will no longer have the means to create products with real advancements. You can laugh all you want, but this is no laughing matter. Fuck you.

I said I'm sorry

Not my fault the iPod sucked and that overpriced piece of crap only succeeded because of its image, it became "cool" to have one.

The iPod isn't overpriced. For the stuff it offered at the time of launch, it was a very advanced device. The image did do a pretty good part, but again, you have to consider all aspects of a product before purchase. Why does the image not matter? It actually does.

I don't get one thing of that Zune thing!

Why can Chinese knockoffs sell it for much cheaper? Because Apple is greedy enough to charge as much as people will pay instead of selling it for cheaper and getting much more sales by not losing them to people like me who realise the alternatives are much more viable. The iPod wasn't very innovative anyway (an audio/video player in one with a scroll wheel, not very original).

Argh. It's about how it has wireless sharing capabilities.

No, the alternatives are not necessarily more viable. Buying knockoffs results in a lower resell value. And most importantly of all, when people see the knockoff, they think eww. But when you use stuff like the Zune and the iPod, you get the respect, because it shows that you have fine taste (although the iPod brand has been getting devalued in the past year or so).

Actually, the scroll wheel is very original. You could never have thought of that. No, DAP had ever had that before. And that's not the only thing. Apple was also the first company to make a DAP with an HDD at a viable price. The second-generation iPod shuffle is also the smallest DAP ever made (on a mass-produced scale). Ah yes, the iPod also has a function where the system pauses the song when the headphones are disconnected. A subtle but very welcome change. PC Magazine also praised Apple a lot for this innovation.

Can somebody please tell me what that Zune as is all about, is it suppose to be funny?
And the only reason you think that Chinese knock-offs for MP3 Players is because Apple charges LOADS for them , when the Chinese companies are charging normal and this last sentence is going to Myscrynm. No offence.

The Zune commercial is supposed to be a clever approach to conveying the device's features.

No, I don't like the Chinese knockoffs because they are just copying someone else's good idea, as I've already explained to krt.

Scroll wheels for scrolling through menu items as with the round things on mice or for volume as with the round things on speakers... not very hard to think about. Just no-one implemented it because they didn't choose to.

All those "innovations" are small things, doesn't justify the price tag. I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars more for them.

I mean the touch-sensitive scroll wheel used in later iPods, not the original mechanical one. Mechanical scroll wheels have been used for years.

But how does it show that message is it wireless and the alien gives an eye to him wirelessly? or is that just something really stupid that I just said

No strings attached, man.

Yeh, that's nice, but again, not worth the hefty price tag. Buttons are fine for me. I rarely need to press the buttons as direction buttons anyways except to choose the function from the main menu. I just set it to "random play" and press next to skip a song. In fact, I would have no use for the scroll wheel.

The iPod also has tactile buttons, hence the "Click Wheel".

And isn't the Zune wireless thing useless? I heard that it was only for sharing with other Zunes, not with a computer or phone or anything else?

I'm pretty sure the Zune can also use 802.11 to upgrade the firmware, although I'm not sure. I'll have to ask later to make sure.

For instance, with the PlayStation Portable, the 802.11b was a huge success because SCEI made it do so much stuff, like Ad Hoc gameplay, gamesharing, sending photos, getting firmware updates, surfing the net, watching television with LocationFree, et cetera.

So is the point of that movie so the alien can transfer something wirelessly?

If you want something, you can get it from someone else easily (wirelessly), but only from something that is exactly the same species as you

Hey, it's not Microsoft's fault that the others aren't using 802.11.

What is 802.11?

It is a wireless protocol standard from IEEE.

and what is IEEEE?

You mean IEEE. It's the Institute of Electrical & Electronics Engineers.

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ieee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ieee

lmao, Google, what a joke.

Oh, I kind of get it now , lol

They're also the people who brought us IEEE 1394 (also called i.Link).

Most commonly known as Firewire
Anyways, on the whole economic discussion you two had, you both sounded like socialists. First of all, if some lame-ass Chinese company can actually take away a significant amount of market share from Apple, then according to capitalism, it should be allowed to do that. Because if it can actually accomplish that, it must mean Apple's product sucks in the first place, and needs to be displaced. Capitalism is all about survival of the fittest. We should not meddle with the system and try to buy products just for the sake of preserving them. And as for Apple being greedy - it can be as greedy as it wants. If people weren't greedy, the world's current economic system would collapse within weeks.

Yeah, but not a very befitting name.

If people weren't greedy, then communism would be the way to go.

That's fine. All I'm saying is that those knockoffs wouldn't exist or would not be as successful if Apple weren't that greedy, not saying they are obliged to be less greedy.

Actually, the knockoffs would exist regardless of Apple being selfless or greedy (in fact, they are selfless, being part of the Save Darfur initiative, more than can be said for you). The knockoffs exist because the makers want to capitolize on the success of the iPod. It's such a well-known brand that almost all DAPs are generically referred to as iPods.

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