http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html
Full Version: Worst School Shooting Since Columbine
Wonder what the school well do about the shooting O.o
Is that closure I hear?
Is that closure I hear?
QUOTE(SaMX)
OK, I can't leave so I'm just going to post here.
This morning I've been updating on a couple other forums and then checked here.
OK, this morning I woke up at about seven. I have physics at 8am, and the physics recitation at 9, right after. So I woke up at seven, kind of stared into space for forty five minutes, got dressed, and went to physics class. We talked about gas laws ans stuff. That class ended at 9. After that I went to the recitation and one of the grad students went over some problems with us. We finished at just after 9:30, and I walked back to my dorm to get some coffee. When I was almost back I heard a bunch of sirens, and I thought there was a fire somewhere maybe. So I got to my room, made some coffee, and turned on my computer, and there was an emergency alert on the vt webpage that said that all classes were canceled for the day, and to stay in your dorm. So I sat in my dorm and learned basically the same things you all did. I talked to some of the people in my hall and we took some pictures out the window of the cops all around. The cops would yell at us to stay away from the windows so we stopped. Juin, my neighbor, sent his pictures to CNN and they were on a few minutes ago.
This is why I'm so fucking mad. At a little after seven this morning, some crazy guy went into West AJ, and tried to shoot his girlfriend. I guess an RA tried to stop him and he killed the RA. As far as I know a couple people in west AJ were injured, but most of them were just minor things when people heard gunshots and ran away. Two people broke their legs jumping out the window(stupid). This was at like 7:15. THEY DIDN'T DO SHIT. They sent an email at like 8:30 that basically said "if you see anything suspicious call the cops." Then, at about 9 the same guy went to Norris and shot a whole bunch of people. Word right now is 22. TWO FUCKING HOURS LATER! The guy was around for two hours and not only did they not catch him, but they didn't even control the situation and let all those people go to class in Norris. FUCK THEM.
dammt.
This morning I've been updating on a couple other forums and then checked here.
OK, this morning I woke up at about seven. I have physics at 8am, and the physics recitation at 9, right after. So I woke up at seven, kind of stared into space for forty five minutes, got dressed, and went to physics class. We talked about gas laws ans stuff. That class ended at 9. After that I went to the recitation and one of the grad students went over some problems with us. We finished at just after 9:30, and I walked back to my dorm to get some coffee. When I was almost back I heard a bunch of sirens, and I thought there was a fire somewhere maybe. So I got to my room, made some coffee, and turned on my computer, and there was an emergency alert on the vt webpage that said that all classes were canceled for the day, and to stay in your dorm. So I sat in my dorm and learned basically the same things you all did. I talked to some of the people in my hall and we took some pictures out the window of the cops all around. The cops would yell at us to stay away from the windows so we stopped. Juin, my neighbor, sent his pictures to CNN and they were on a few minutes ago.
This is why I'm so fucking mad. At a little after seven this morning, some crazy guy went into West AJ, and tried to shoot his girlfriend. I guess an RA tried to stop him and he killed the RA. As far as I know a couple people in west AJ were injured, but most of them were just minor things when people heard gunshots and ran away. Two people broke their legs jumping out the window(stupid). This was at like 7:15. THEY DIDN'T DO SHIT. They sent an email at like 8:30 that basically said "if you see anything suspicious call the cops." Then, at about 9 the same guy went to Norris and shot a whole bunch of people. Word right now is 22. TWO FUCKING HOURS LATER! The guy was around for two hours and not only did they not catch him, but they didn't even control the situation and let all those people go to class in Norris. FUCK THEM.
dammt.
QUOTE(gafato)
I'm alright folks. It's pretty hectic around here. Dozens of police cars and sherrifs with M4s out and about.
I knew Jacko would jump all over this... 
it was.... worse than columbine
Is it bad that I feel indifferent towards the shooting? Is this because I watch the news a lot?
Everyone on Facebook is inviting me to these VTech sorry/tribute/whatever groups, and I joined one so I didn't look like a cruel, unfeeling monster. But I kicked myself out.
Is it worse that I am more pissed at Jack Thompson for using this shooting to push his views than I am at the guy who did the shooting?
Everyone on Facebook is inviting me to these VTech sorry/tribute/whatever groups, and I joined one so I didn't look like a cruel, unfeeling monster. But I kicked myself out.
Is it worse that I am more pissed at Jack Thompson for using this shooting to push his views than I am at the guy who did the shooting?
the first q? maybe it is bad, but it is probably that you watch the news...
i dont think its worse though, i honestly (and people who know me well would be surprised) honestly didnt feel mad at the guy who did it so much as sad that such a thing happened and mad at the people who were talking about the politics of it 2 hours later...
i dont think its worse though, i honestly (and people who know me well would be surprised) honestly didnt feel mad at the guy who did it so much as sad that such a thing happened and mad at the people who were talking about the politics of it 2 hours later...
QUOTE(Joe @ Apr 21 2007, 04:11 PM) 
Is it bad that I feel indifferent towards the shooting?
I feel that way too. I kinda felt indifferent at 9/11 also. I don't know... everyone dies... does it really matter that much when it just happens to be another person who does the killing? And there's so much of other people doing the killing too. Thirty-five people is nothing compared to thousands of other events throughout history, and even in recent events. Wars, genocides, massacres... there's really too much death to grieve over all of it, and it doesn't make much sense to me to be stirred by only a few of them. I don't really see death as a horrible tragedy anyways. Death to me means the loss of everything. But it's inevitable. So if everything is inevitably lost, then is it really worth anything? If everything is nothing, then death is the loss of nothing, and so nothing to fret about.
Hmm... that was more depressing than I meant it to be... like saying that it's okay that the car is dented because the engine got blown apart anyways. Ah well.
Many Hispanic peoples have a different outlook on death. In their cultures, it's not something inherently bad. Of course, few people want to die--and those who do have some issues to work out--but it's just a natural part of life.
"Death is not something the majority of Hispanics fear. In fact, in many of the nationalities it is even embraced and celebrated."
-- http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art40851.asp
QUOTE(myncknm @ Apr 22 2007, 01:04 PM)
I feel that way too. I kinda felt indifferent at 9/11 also. I don't know... everyone dies... does it really matter that much when it just happens to be another person who does the killing?
But souppose someone close to you was killed? well then, would you still indifferent? Of course not. (Or, at least, I hope not.
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I'm usually indifferent to it until I read a story about a person actually involved.
ya same for me
QUOTE(LucresSerebii @ Apr 22 2007, 02:36 PM)
But souppose someone close to you was killed? well then, would you still indifferent? Of course not. (Or, at least, I hope not. )
)Probably not indifferent. Although if he or she was killed by someone, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't feel much different than if he or she had died of natural causes.
But that's something that affects me directly. You could emphasize and sympathize with the friends and family of the deceased in these shootings. But then it only makes sense that you do the same for the hundreds of thousands of others who die everyday. Does the victim of a highly publicized school shooting deserve a million times more mourning than the obscure, yet excruciatingly painful suffering of someone with shingles? Or the sufferer of a neurodegenerative disease, whom his/her loved ones have to watch as s/he slowly loses his/her intelligence, personality, character, and sanity over the course of years, eventually dying in body as a drooling vegetable whose mind was long since dead?
Of course, feeling sorrow for every single tragedy in the world is crazy. But it makes no sense to feel it only for those that make it onto the front pages. What benefit does our sorrow do for the victims anyways? They're dead. They don't care anymore. Any time spent mourning for them only delays you from accomplishing more fruitful tasks. Things that might even help to prevent or offset future suffering.
So I acknowledge that bad things happen to people who don't deserve it... nobody really deserves to suffer. But it doesn't help to mourn. If it was your death, would you rather a million people get all depressed over it, or that they go on with their lives?
QUOTE(myncknm @ Apr 22 2007, 08:59 PM)
If it was your death, would you rather a million people get all depressed over it, or that they go on with their lives?
I'm not saying what you're saying is worng. However, I would want people to care about my death. I mean, would you have your family say: '"He's dead. Whatever."
QUOTE(LucresSerebii @ Apr 28 2007, 11:18 AM)
I'm not saying what you're saying is worng. However, I would want people to care about my death. I mean, would you have your family say: '"He's dead. Whatever."
Okay, yeah, I agree with that. I'd be disturbed if I found out that my family and friends wouldn't even care about my death. But I wouldn't want them to spend weeks grieving over it, you know? But with complete strangers it's different, isn't it? Would you even care if someone you never knew cared about your death? Then again... technically, dead people can't care about anything, but whatever.
Or do they 
Atheist-boy
Atheist-boy
QUOTE(myncknm @ Apr 28 2007, 03:35 PM)
Then again... technically, dead people can't care about anything, but whatever.
Well, soupose you found out that some stranger will care about your death. You wouldn't really care. Its just like that. The closer you are to someone, the more you feel for thier loss.
Isn't that my point?
QUOTE(djbob @ Apr 29 2007, 12:17 AM)
Or do they
Atheist-boy
Atheist-boy
More like Christian-extremist boy.
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