http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228859,00.html



Korps Commander's Point of View: Oh, great. Now that these bumbling idiots have been given command of the Senate and the House of Representatives, watch as our great nation goes down the drain. Personally, George W. Bush is no hero, but I mean...come on, liberals? With Nancy Pelosi at the helm, we can surely expect all American troops immediately withdrawn from Iraq (a severe tactical and political mistake, by the way), homosexual marriage rights granted in each state, and millions of additional illegal immigrants pouring across our borders. And these are just the beginning, with more circus acts in the Senate to follow...Wow, this election really gives more perspective to the view that American voters are completely insane.

All I can say is, get prepared, the next few years are going to be hell.

(Note - I am not saying that the Republicans this time around did any better. In fact, I am content with the fact that many of them are gone. But giving our nation to liberals is foolish beyond belief.)

By the homosexual thing, my point was that there are better issues to worry about than things like this.

Uggh, politics. no matter who is in charge, I hate the government. it is too powerful at the federal level.

KC, you really are a complete moron. Every week that our troops stay in Iraq is another week given for the breeding of hatred toward the US. Every week our troops stay in Iraq is another week wasted that we could have used on ACTUAL THREATS. The Taliban has taken back control in Afghanistan. North Korea is building nukes and has all kinds of biological weapons. We still haven't caught Osama Bin Laden.

Saddam Huissein is to be executed for the deaths of, at the very highest estimate, 100 thousand individuals over the period of his entire reign. Who is the be executed for the deaths of, at most recent estimates, 655 thousand, over a half million Iraqi citizens for which the USA is responsible in the past 6 years? No one. THAT is hypocrisy.

We can only hope that with the democrats in congress that there will be subpoenas flying and trials held for those responsible, that troops will be redeployed WHERE THEY ARE NEEDED, that we will finally get to the bottom of the Enron scandal that took a back seat to 9/11, and that BushCo. will be impeached. Clinton was impeached because he lied about a [unnecessary] edited again. Bush ought to be impeached for lying about WMD's and terrorism and thus causing hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths.

Warned for tactless dialogue and flamebait.

The Democratic Political Party is one of the oldest in the USA...I don't see how giving it control (not for the first time) will put our nation down the drain, especially seeing as how our economy boomed under Clinton (Democrat), and is now severely weakened under Bush.

Iraqi Support of US troops (from all factions) is at a all time low, according to Time Magazine.

I remember when there was speculation of WMD's in Iraq, and the impending war. I remember that my opinion was: "The US will not attack Iraq, since Iraq doesn't have WMD's, as shown by the inspectors". I was wrong on the attacking part.

Personally, I am of the opinion that we need to stay in Iraq. Here's a copy of a post I made from another forum:
I'm not saying that I support the war (actually I don't), but immediately pulling out all troops right now would be horribly wrong. We came in there, toppled the government, and then we leave? We take down the government and the stability, that means its our job to ensure that a new stable government is put back in place. If we leave now, then Iraq will end up in worse condition then it was when we came in.

Well, not exactly. You have to notice the motives for these deaths. Would you execute General Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis for the deaths of Americans in the Civil War? War is a very different situation from mass slaughter.

I agree to an extent, but we will never return Iraq to a state comperable to the one it was in under Hussein.



The mass-killings ordered by Hussein were intended to show people that he meant buisness, so that peace might be kept. It did a hell of a job. How long was his reign? 20 plus years? During his reign you'd think that everyone in Iraq was a pacifist compared to how things are now. We absolutly destroyed all order in there in a few months and allowed it to continue without getting any better for a total of 6 years so far. We've taken over a half million innocent civillian lives and accomplished nothing positive. Someone should be held accountable for those deaths. The people who lied, repetitively, about WMD's, about nonexistant links to terrorist organizations, about mushroom clouds over New York, to cause this war to occur and thus to cause these deaths. It may not be cold-blooded murder, but we do have laws against manslaughter, which at the very least this falls under.

I like the amount of money the Bush administration used. Hopefully, with the democrats we can get the US deficit in order. If anything is to doom us, it's the republicans.

Has anyone else noticed a pattern? Republicans come in, screw up the economy and run up a deficit. Repubs get booted for that, Dems come in, fix the economy, pay back the deficit, the American people think that things are going too well for the republicans to screw it up and vote them back in, and it starts all over. Wasn't there a frickin SURPLUS when Clinton was in office?

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/s...linton.surplus/

Unfortunately, the Republicans use up way more money than the Democrats can save up, though Clinton did a good job at trying to pay it back during his term. Current deficit is almost nine trillion.

If you look, a large portion of that is Bush's doing (because of money spent on military)
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

EDIT: One thing about the homosexual marriage thing. If it wasn't important, why did the 2004 elections revolve around it? Let's see you have YOUR rights to live with who you want and then we'll see how your attitude is.

Here's the thing. Same sex marriage and abortion will never be out-right outlawed because then the Republicans won't have an issue to get them voted back in.

I agree. We should have a balanced government if we must have on at all.



It is too powerful anymore and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it, actually, nothing that anyone will do. People are too lazy to vote and too hasty to let illegal immigrants vote for them.

hmmmm good point. And also put this to mind, if people stop voting(only a quarter of U.S. citizens vote) then we're basically turning into a manarchy because after a long period of time not voting, we're not getting our privilage to choose and be part of our government.

And also just imagine if someone of a different race or even sex was running for president. Some people hate the idea of a women going in office cause they think that it would throw off the balance of our government, if you think about it, it's already being thrown off balance, it's just comming back to order.

Actually, I think that America needs a President of a different race that is female. It would change things. But Hilary Clinton would not be a good choice...there is just something about her eyes that tell me she's cracked up. Wholly my opinion of course, based on gut feelings.

I think a change in the government would do us good. I think a female president would be a great idea just aslong as she or any candidate has good experience with politics and how to handle things.

I think that the U.S has made too many enemies because of it acting like the worlds police. we need to let countries settle their own problems. we need to be isolationist like in the early 1900's.

Yah that's what I thought at first. Half the reason Bush sent troops over was to fight for Iraq's freedom. (well atleast I've heard) But if you think about it, it's not all that bad trying to do good for other countries, well aslong as it doesn't mean go to war for them. Also if one country doesn't want to change and want to declare war if we try to change them, we should just stay out of it and not go to war for it. Other countries, if they have a good enough government, can fix and help themselves.

Uh... Great, freedom. We go there for military dominance. Iraq is on the verge of a civil war. Yay.

yah well you should tell that to my social studies teacher. She's constintly telling us that, also she recorded a speech and he said that we will fight for Iraq's freedom. So at this point I don't know what to believe.
Also I put that that was just what I've heard, I've never said that it was really what he went there for.

The original reason given was WMD's, which was obviously bull. As soon as it became common knowledge that there were no WMD's (which was WAY too late) they just started giving other bullcrap reasons. Liberation, democracy, terrorism, removing the evil dictator... All bull. One can only speculate at the real reasons. Oil is a possibility. Cheney was a big part of Haliburton, and at the end of his term as VP he'll probobly get a HUGE bonus when he returns to Haliburton for all the buisness he's brought them. What with the oil, building concentration camps, etc. The other possibility is religious. In the beginning, Bush did use the word "crusade." Then again, it's pretty obvious that he's a bumbling fool and the use of that word could be meaningless. Evangelicals on TV and at their super-mega-churches are always praising him for his work furthering us towards the Apocalypse and Judgement Day. Some congregations frickin worship images of him (isn't that against a commandment? Graven images?). Considering Bush's Born-Again Christianess only furthers the point.

Sounds fun, new blog entry is somewhat related to what you've said >_< I'm just rambling however, and need to clean it up before I give it the published status.

Oil, military conquest, s'all it's about right?

Seriously, even Bush and co. can't even decide on what they're fighting for.

It's starting to sound like the Holocaust happening all over again. I think that Bush intends to do good, but he does not help his image by making himself look extremely stupid. Is it for oil? Possibly. Who knows what goes through the mind of Bush? Well, no one, cuz there isn't much. I am starting to get where I could care less and am wishing that it could all be over with, everything back to normal, no more killing, no more stupidity, no more human error, Holocaust repeats, etc. It's so stressing to read about things like this anymore especially with all the day-to-day stuff that goes on in our own lives. Half of the day-to-day stuff could be eliminated if the government did not make school required by law. It should be chosen, and if people choose it, the government should pay every freaking expense to make someone go through all the crap they put you through. Someday, we should lead a revolt against our government and let the people rule themselves until the next idiot dictator decides to come along and rig elections, taking full advantage of the laziness, ignorance, and naivete of American citizens who could care less about anything and anyone in the world who focus only on themselves and what benefits them. It makes me angry. Forget this country, bring the troops home, don't make them endure more of this crap the people are giving them. America is gone to the dogs anyway, why should we try to stop the inevitable?

Second Amendment!

Not with people like Raptor around; their point of view is that if they get rid of everyone who opposes them and put liberals/communists in positions of power, life will be rosy and well. Whereas with "teh evil rich peoples!!1" running the country, we'll all suffer and the country will go to doom.



So now he's a villain because he's a Christian? The reason he went to Iraq was because of WMDs for the most part, but some of it was for the liberation of the oppressed people there. Now, its not our fault if they decide to blow themselves up because of this (fact: the insurgents have killed 66% of the civilian causualties in Iraq, and almost all of these were deliberate). In fact, we did a good job there for what we had to work with, which was not much. The whole world was against us and terrorists were attacking us from all sides, but we still managed to put up a free democracy, albeit a slightly shaky one. That is quite an achievement.

And the fact that you are bashing on him to no end for using the word "crusade" in a few of his speeches suggests that you are running out of intellectual arguments here. Just to let you know.

Your understanding of DEMOCRACY, the greater good, is fundamentally flawed.

He's a villan because he is an idiot. He may be a christian because he is an idiot, but he's still an idiot.
The nonexistant WMD's that he knew were nonexistant?
FACT: None of those casualties would have occurred had we not invaded.

We took a peaceful country and threw it into a civil war. If that's your idea of a good job, you need to be shot.
The whole world was WITH us, and terrorists weren't doing SQUAT. NOW the whole world is against us, and terrorists have been created by our own actions.
It isn't a democracy if the majority doesnt want one. Majority rules, basic democratic ideals.

I made ONE mention of his use of the word "crusade". There is an entire paragraph of other arguments there. Did you not fricking read it? Your lack of sense suggests insanity, just to let you know.

Woot! Let's go.

It's great to listen to a new argument, one between other people for a change, other than Fury, RaptorJesus, and myself.

myscrnnm is around again, so you'll get to duke it out with him as well.

Oh, Guitar_Freak22, if only you were here way back when in the older KL. Spaceman and I almost killed each other in our flamewars about Christianity.

And then there was the time when Raptor registered as SpyFromHN to fight with myscrnnm...that was fun.

And the heated debates on Helionet...

And the fighting between KRT, Flash, and djbob like back when KL was a new forum...

Yeah, good times. I miss the old KL, frankly, we had so much fun then.

I think we can. Maybe it'll take a while, and mayhaps a new government. But we have to at least leave them with a stable government powerful enough to keep order.

I disagree. I'm thinking they were more along the lines of personal vendettas. For instance, one time he killed the whole village of somebody who attempted to assasinate him.

I'd agree mostly. We haven't done a great job so far. But that doesn't mean we can't do a better job in the future.

Inter arma enim silent leges.
During times of war, killings are allowed. We aren't even deliberately targetting the civilians in this issue. Back in WWII, we deliberately targetted civilians in Japan.

My opinion is that the American people don't want same sex marriage and abortion. Here's another copy of a post from another board:
I think a lot of you international people see Americans as stupid because you only see one part of Bush's policy, and so you don't understand why so many Americans vote for him.

Nobody likes Bush's foreign policy, not even most Americans (with the exceptional of the hard-line Republicans and Neoconservatives). What Americans like about Bush is his domestic policy: ie, abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage. To most Americans, these policies are more important than the international ones. However, to a person who lives outside America, domestic issues are hardly important - what matters is his foreign policies. Consequently, all those people see is his foreign policy (which most anyone will notice is stupid) and see him as a horrible president, and will not understand why America voted for him.

Democratic candidates may sometimes be smarter and more able presidents, but they never meet the opinions of Americans on the issues that matter most to them.

That's why I always favor the moderates
A good president would be John McCain. If you want a Democrat, the best choice seems to be Liebermann.

What does this have to do with illegal immigrants?

That makes no sense. Just because someone is a female doesn't mean she'd make a good president. Give me a good reason why a woman could make a better president.

I'm not against women or a woman for president or anything, but I hate it whenever people start with reverse sexism. If somebody said that we need a male president, would that be considered politically correct?

Hmmm, I think this situation would be better solved using democracy
If you don't like the system, vote against it. If people don't agree with you, tough luck.

Just because someone is an idiot does not mean they are a villian.

Was that really needed?

Uhm, I rarely notice you adding too much to a debate... usually you just advance the debate, sort of like a rececitive in an opera. And a lot of the thing other people participate in the debates... myscrnnm and KC a lot in the olden days. Myncknm also sometimes joins in, but he rarely says anything that could be considered an argument unless we're talking about something scientific

A good point djbob. I was too lazy to quote your last post; it was too long and I did not want to have to go and delete the parts that had nothing to do with me.




Ooooooooo...I don't remember having as many arguments as I did with you and RaptorJesus...

The mass killings of the Kurds are the killings that he was brought up on charges for. As far as those were concerned, it was to quell an uprising/civil war.
Can you think of a better way to instill fear into the citizens of his country?
Killings are allowed? Then why is Saddam to hang for killing to stop a war?


Nobody likes Bush's foreign policy, not even most Americans (with the exceptional of the hard-line Republicans and Neoconservatives). What Americans like about Bush is his domestic policy: ie, abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage. To most Americans, these policies are more important than the international ones. However, to a person who lives outside America, domestic issues are hardly important - what matters is his foreign policies. Consequently, all those people see is his foreign policy (which most anyone will notice is stupid) and see him as a horrible president, and will not understand why America voted for him.